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blast off on a vip episode

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of hero paranormal podcast

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broadcasting from the base at la madre

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mountain

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just south of area 51 my name is ryan

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the original outlaw of the airwaves

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bringing you

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an epic episode tonight on tonight's

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the incredible amazing

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well one of my besties in the field will

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hoffman the man the paranormal

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amazing investigator the crypto

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the man who has been with me on multiple

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occasions when

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amazing things have been caught many of

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in the presence of will hoffman a man of

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the cloth a baptist preacher lives in

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has his own congregation his own church

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very well respected in the

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field he's also a mormon theologist

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very well respected published author on

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and he uh well he's the guy that

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much of mormon theology as he knows more

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than well many of the mormons i know

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he is a lover of all faiths

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and a believer in a supreme being

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a great guy can't say enough good things

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he really is my best friend

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will hoffman can't say enough about him

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enough about me

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let's get to it we had a horrible day

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january 6th

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will is going to talk about that and

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many other things coming up

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let's give him a call will hoffman

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welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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hey will can you hear me okay

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i can hear you how are you doing ryan

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doing great man can't come doing great

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man can't complain just uh getting over

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this crazy

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situation that happened january 6th i

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mean i really i'm reeling

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how how have you been how how's your

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family how are things

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uh well you know we're we're good um

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family's good

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i think it was definitely eye opening

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for the family to

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to kind of see what happened yesterday

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to kind of see what has been going on

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this whole

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uh political season uh you know it's

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pre-teen and teenager and they're just

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now kind of getting informed of what

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goes on in politics and having a father

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politics and listen to politics and talk

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that the things that they're hearing and

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the things that are being said

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they're seeing through it and saying

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even at their age things aren't right

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the things that are being said aren't

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that so many people older people

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in the mainstream media what they see in

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family's good

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everybody's good how are you doing as

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well as can be expected i can't complain

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fatherhood is awesome i'm drained all

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the time i'm constantly tired but it's

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divine area kind of like

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i had you on is how you are a

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and an expert on mormon history and a

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among many other accomplishments and

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there's there's a lot to be said about

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all the wild

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stuff going on and how historically

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yeah i mean and i i understand about the

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the parenthood

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thing being drained all the time it's

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letting you uh babysit

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in what olympus has fallen and stuff

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could take over the capitol building

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craziest scenario is happening

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people are storming

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the capital and again i

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who all stormed the capital what our

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but this is something that's not

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supposed to happen

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in our country um there hasn't been

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unrest like this

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of what we talk about with you know the

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riots and

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violence and stuff like that you know

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um where really you know you had the

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call burn it down

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neighborhood they started burgundy down

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actors leading the charge that

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but more than anything uh worried

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because the crazy oh what was his name

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the guy with the horns on his head q

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shaman and you know i

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that are interesting and q is

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interesting and q is something that

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is got a lot of interest lately and

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p some people go overboard with it

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others don't take it seriously at all

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that sure enough there would be a breach

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secret service just let him in now i

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for you dude you said it you

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hey just because you got more

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information and knowledge about it than

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everybody's trying to pick the winning

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what to you know what to do and uh

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even it's even crazy

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i i mean people are looking at pressing

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charges against

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everybody and anybody that had any

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relation to anything

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even the security officers which i think

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even in the world the uh oh i'm sorry

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the iraqi president

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buddy last night as the

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as the votes started going back on and

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um you know we we argued back and forth

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why he should vote for for trump and why

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gonna vote for biden which was just

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basically orange man bad

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suspended his account and i said i said

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you know mark zuckerberg um all other

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gas on the fire something's not right

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and i would like to know what's going on

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well we're not going to tell you get

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over it you lost

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i'm not going to put all the all the

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was a lot of

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uh interference from outside sources

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disguising themselves as trump

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supporters

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um but all they needed to do

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was get get a few followers and then the

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rest would come

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yeah and man i it's interesting to see

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what's going to happen tomorrow

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it's interesting to see what is going

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what we're going to wake up

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and see and what the news is going to

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say especially going into the weekend

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um i wanted to ask you speaking of

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riches and trump and how everything is

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just kind of he's the trump card i don't

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know where this is going to go from here

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but i hope like you said we wake up and

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it's a better day tomorrow

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but i wanted to ask you something that

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you're kind of an expert

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of and i recently did a podcast

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regarding a

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ranch in la pointe utah you know north

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of 40 there you know the area well

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and you know close to gl2 and

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which i think you're the only other

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person alive that knows where it is

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i i do and although i've actually tried

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to give people

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driving and instructions to get there

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they got lost

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it's hard to get there it's not as easy

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as it appears

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but like to tap into your info and your

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knowledge and your intellect here for a

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sec will

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i want to talk about mormon history a

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bit

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and 1800s mormon gold

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and some of the interesting things that

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you have found

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regarding high strangeness mormons

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treasure

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um because the blind frog ranch episode

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it's a ranch there north of 40 i know

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you know all about it but

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rumored treasure a lot like a lot of the

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properties and

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you know there were mountain men in the

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area and lots of gold miners we know

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people

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having been in the basin i mean this is

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kind of a thing that people do

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people just do this but oh yeah can you

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tell us some of the interesting things

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that you have found just talking to

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people or

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in your research regarding mormon gold

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high strangeness ufos etc

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well it i mean i think this all goes

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back to

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um and you know i'll be honest i have

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never been

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asked a question quite like that but i

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think it goes back to

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you know a lot of you know even even how

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joseph smith

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was was brought up by his dad i mean

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they were

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treasure seekers

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they would go out and they would uh

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pretty much go up to a door of a farm

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house and

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say you know we had this vision that

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there's a treasure hidden out in your

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field

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and if you would let us go dig out there

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we'll we'll

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see what we can find and we'll cut you

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in and he would basically get down

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dolly what are they called dowling rods

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and he would walk out and he would you

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know pretty much

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walk around these people feel their

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fields and

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you know try to get them to chip in to

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buy

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shovels and stuff like that to go dig

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for gold and

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um you know a lot of the time he never

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found anything he found pieces of glass

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found you know others you know

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stones that he thought were crystals and

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they ended up not being

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but this was that whole kind of mindset

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of he would go places and

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he would point to things and say okay

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guys you know we're gonna go

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to this place because it's gonna it's

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gonna be great it's gonna be

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um you know magical the the water the

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land's gonna be perfect we're gonna find

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treasures and we're gonna do all this

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stuff

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and they would get to places and dig and

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do stuff and

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wouldn't find anything and a lot of

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transitioned

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into you know going out into

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you know into utah and having this

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mindset of

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well we we can find stuff too and we can

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try to find gold we can try to find

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treasure and we can try to find this and

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that and

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you know maybe stumbling across

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something of uh you know native american

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jewelry and sitting there thinking to

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themselves

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hey i found some treasure

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i mean them getting new utah was

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completely about

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them getting to california or getting to

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the west coast

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you know and then struggling to survive

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so a lot of people were also trying to

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look for hey we

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we need we need money to survive so we

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can trade with people or we need things

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to

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something

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because well you know you know the salt

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lake area when

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when they got to the salt flax flats and

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they started to

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to plant stuff nothing grew because

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it it's all salt water they thought they

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were at the ocean

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and they were wrong um

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so they were in desperate times they

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were trying to find

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you know anything they could to barter

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to

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even using these tactics that joseph

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smith used to say hey i can go find this

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or

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you know possibly even brigham young

436
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saying hey

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if you you know you go dig over here you

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know you might find something

439
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there's a i mean i i remember some of

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the stories that we

441
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heard about you know

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the whole idea of even gl2 where

443
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you know people are just buying stuff

444
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for gold yeah

445
00:17:46,230 --> 00:17:43,280
it's like how does this happen you know

446
00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,240
where where do you get this stuff at

447
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but man we we had some interesting

448
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nights out at that place

449
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i was gonna just delve into that next

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thing

451
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that very next so your mind reader no

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yeah some of the high strangeness that

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we

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endured living in the uinta basin which

455
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actually we craved and followed and

456
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drank way too many red bulls and stayed

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up all night looking for

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but you know it was all in good fun and

459
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incredibly you know you and i kind of

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take it the same way

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that you know if something out there

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exists

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that is purported not to exist

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it's just possibly uh

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you know a tap on the shoulder that hey

466
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there's

467
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in in my opinion kind of a spiritual tap

468
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on the shoulder but

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we had some pretty amazing nights and

470
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one of those was in the winter time and

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i remember we were

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playing xbox it was late and we were

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going to just give

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actually give it a full night of playing

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xbox and

476
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the you know i remember that we were

477
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talking we started talking cryptozoology

478
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and yeah we knew a spot and we just went

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for it

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oh i know exactly what you're talking

481
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about

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take me there man because oh my gosh

483
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okay so yeah we're we're we're hanging

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out

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we're we're playing xbox

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and you know i i don't know the whole

487
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:27,440
scenario why why we're just kind of

488
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:29,280
hanging out your place and playing

489
00:19:35,190 --> 00:19:32,880
playing xbox but we were like all right

490
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:35,200
you know let's let's go let's go search

491
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for a big foot

492
00:19:40,470 --> 00:19:39,440
yeah we talked about doing it we talked

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about going up

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and uh you'll probably have to remind me

495
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of the the areas

496
00:19:47,909 --> 00:19:46,559
are that that canyon or that road right

497
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better if we don't mention it

498
00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:51,840
no what what was it something

499
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:53,440
yeah yeah yeah we don't have to mention

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00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:56,080
where it's such

501
00:20:03,190 --> 00:19:59,840
yeah maybe we shouldn't but uh um

502
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,200
so yeah we just we get in your uh

503
00:20:07,190 --> 00:20:05,280
your truck we drive out there and we're

504
00:20:11,029 --> 00:20:07,200
not prepared at all

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00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:11,039
um like we got very light coats on and

506
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:15,120
if i remember right i thought it was

507
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i mean it wasn't quite winner winner

508
00:20:22,789 --> 00:20:22,080
and i mean you know living in utah you

509
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:22,799
you know

510
00:20:26,870 --> 00:20:25,679
it gets cold very long well it wasn't

511
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winter winter where

512
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:31,280
we were at but where we ended up it was

513
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yeah because we were what about uh

514
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about 9 000 feet up or something like

515
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:39,039
that

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above sea level and it just started

517
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snowing

518
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heavy on us and i mean wearing light

519
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:46,080
jackets

520
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:49,520
uh i got tennis shoes on

521
00:20:57,590 --> 00:20:54,000
um and we just start hiking out

522
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:57,600
and i mean just i mean the mood is right

523
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,840
the moon is out perfect the snow is

524
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:02,640
falling

525
00:21:10,470 --> 00:21:06,400
and then we decide hey let's

526
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:10,480
let's set up this this light

527
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:14,799
this flashlight up on a tree

528
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,640
i mean very like the branch was

529
00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:20,640
pretty much broken there was just a nub

530
00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:21,760
left in the tree we

531
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:25,440
we kind of situated it there and we went

532
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:28,640
back and we we were like hiding um

533
00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,679
trying to do our best in our you know

534
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,360
to stay warm and everything just

535
00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:35,360
watching this light

536
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:39,520
and i kid you not oh okay

537
00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:41,440
it still gives me goosebumps i do

538
00:21:45,270 --> 00:21:42,720
because

539
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,280
it's so hard to explain i know this i

540
00:21:50,470 --> 00:21:47,520
know this

541
00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:50,480
but we could have not made it out of

542
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:52,159
this situation alive

543
00:21:58,549 --> 00:21:56,000
no um no way we're sitting there

544
00:21:59,669 --> 00:21:58,559
watching this light it's not doing

545
00:22:02,390 --> 00:21:59,679
anything

546
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:02,400
and then all of a sudden we see this

547
00:22:05,990 --> 00:22:02,880
like

548
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:06,000
of the snow

549
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,760
just twisted up on the light

550
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:12,240
like like and i mean there was wasn't

551
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:13,600
really a breeze

552
00:22:19,590 --> 00:22:16,799
i i don't remember a breeze at all nope

553
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:19,600
but we just saw this like almost like

554
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:20,720
the steam

555
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:24,640
or yes something steamer snow

556
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:27,919
kind of twist up in the light and then

557
00:22:32,950 --> 00:22:28,559
the light

558
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:32,960
literally moved and fell off that

559
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,840
uh that tree limb that broken tree limb

560
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:37,600
and hit the ground

561
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:41,280
and both you and i are crouched down

562
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,840
we're crouched down looking at this

563
00:22:48,390 --> 00:22:46,159
looking at each other

564
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:48,400
like freaking out and then all of a

565
00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:00,549
and i i i seriously thought

566
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:04,159
that was going to be it we didn't

567
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:08,240
turn we froze

568
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:12,159
we said a little prayer and we waited

569
00:23:19,190 --> 00:23:16,559
we i waited for the end to come

570
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:19,200
i mean am i getting this story like am i

571
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:21,120
remembering it correctly

572
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:24,880
100 man because i remember when we heard

573
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:25,360
that

574
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,039
deep growl behind us i was like

575
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:31,440
oh no way that thing knocked the light

576
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:32,559
out of the tree

577
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,720
and just to go back like that it had one

578
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,720
of those little loops or nylon loops

579
00:23:41,430 --> 00:23:38,240
this light did

580
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:41,440
and we put that nylon loop on a very

581
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:45,279
abrasive scraggly sappy pine tree

582
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:47,200
busted like you said branch which it

583
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:48,559
should stick really well

584
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:51,200
like no matter what and oh yeah that

585
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:51,600
little

586
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:54,720
a good

587
00:23:59,510 --> 00:23:57,760
what two three inches yeah i mean they

588
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:59,520
have plenty to hold on to

589
00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:01,840
yeah it shouldn't go anywhere it was

590
00:24:06,630 --> 00:24:03,440
weird and then

591
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:06,640
when you know and if it flew off we both

592
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:08,000
kind of looked at each other like whoa

593
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:09,200
we gasped

594
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:12,799
and in no time there was just this deep

595
00:24:16,310 --> 00:24:14,799
i was going to say the same thing a deep

596
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,320
growl

597
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,799
and it was so close behind us that

598
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:19,679
neither of us

599
00:24:24,310 --> 00:24:22,799
turned and i don't know how we did it i

600
00:24:26,230 --> 00:24:24,320
said i think i said what do we do pray

601
00:24:28,230 --> 00:24:26,240
like i just figured we were gonna die

602
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:28,240
and so you're like yeah and i mean i

603
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:29,440
just thought we were gonna die at that

604
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:30,480
point

605
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:31,919
oh yeah i thought we were done i i

606
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,520
thought like

607
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,880
it was going to end up being morning

608
00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:36,559
time my wife was going to wake up and be

609
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:38,720
like uh

610
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,679
where's my husband and she knew i was

611
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,600
over your house and then

612
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,559
no one knew where we were at no way man

613
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,159
i mean this would have been like we got

614
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,760
eaten by wolves and yeah

615
00:24:53,830 --> 00:24:52,000
pieces of extraction tell anybody where

616
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:53,840
we were no one knew where we were

617
00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:57,279
at yep but yeah i i mean i heard that

618
00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,960
noise

619
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,600
and i thought to myself we're we're

620
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:03,919
toast we're done

621
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,679
and that's why i didn't turn around

622
00:25:10,390 --> 00:25:07,279
because your first instinct

623
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:10,400
when you hear something like that is to

624
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,000
turn around because there's danger um

625
00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:16,320
to see what's about ready to attack you

626
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:17,279
but i was

627
00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,039
so scared and assumed

628
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:23,679
like next is almost that thing where

629
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,559
you're sitting there

630
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:26,720
and then everything goes black because

631
00:25:31,350 --> 00:25:28,000
something whacked you upside

632
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:31,360
the head i thought that was coming

633
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:34,880
and i as soon as we were done

634
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:37,919
and we we thought to ourselves okay

635
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:41,440
let's move we grab the light and we just

636
00:25:47,190 --> 00:25:44,880
we left we booked it out until we knew

637
00:25:49,669 --> 00:25:47,200
we could see the truck again

638
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:49,679
and then we started doing some calls and

639
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:50,559
stuff like that

640
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:57,200
but oh man that that was a night

641
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:00,559
man those things are whatever it was

642
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:03,760
silent ninjas amazing in their

643
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:06,080
environment because yeah we were pulling

644
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:07,760
one over on them

645
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:09,200
one i say them it could have been the

646
00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:11,520
same one is kind of what i'm alluding to

647
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:15,120
if if we're really talking cryptozoology

648
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:17,039
like like crypto is zoologically if

649
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:18,559
we're talking about a creature that can

650
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:20,640
move that quick and do that and see the

651
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,039
light

652
00:26:24,390 --> 00:26:23,120
and get that close to us i mean it was

653
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,400
so close i'm with you

654
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:25,919
there was no point to turn around

655
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,400
because i knew that before

656
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:30,240
i was gonna what i figured is i'm gonna

657
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:32,400
die either way i'd rather not see

658
00:26:40,549 --> 00:26:36,480
and it was so close that that growl

659
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,559
was so close that i figured

660
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,400
what's the point of looking like it's

661
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,110
yeah yeah

662
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,310
and it was gone yeah boom gone

663
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,799
yeah and you know getting out of there

664
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,400
and and that did

665
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,799
that did establish something uh whenever

666
00:27:04,149 --> 00:27:00,559
we would go out

667
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,159
um i you know i i'm telling my wife

668
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:06,640
exactly where we're going while we're

669
00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:07,360
doing

670
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:11,440
like okay honey this is

671
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:14,480
we're going to go out to uh you know to

672
00:27:17,430 --> 00:27:15,200
do this

673
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:17,440
and you know we'll probably probably be

674
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:18,960
going here and we'll probably be home

675
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:20,640
around this time or something of that

676
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:21,600
nature

677
00:27:26,950 --> 00:27:24,720
um just so she knew an idea

678
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,960
of where we would be at in case

679
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:28,640
something bad did happen

680
00:27:35,430 --> 00:27:33,520
because i realized um

681
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:35,440
yeah if something happened where we were

682
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:36,640
at

683
00:27:46,630 --> 00:27:45,350
probably spring you know and then they

684
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,640
would have just probably found

685
00:27:51,029 --> 00:27:49,120
the truck and maybe some clothes or

686
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:51,039
whatever but

687
00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,399
it really changed the way i did

688
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:54,960
investigations um

689
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:57,760
you know the way i you know inform

690
00:28:01,510 --> 00:27:58,320
people

691
00:28:02,950 --> 00:28:01,520
of what i was doing where i was going

692
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,960
and

693
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,200
yeah because that that was one of those

694
00:28:13,909 --> 00:28:08,080
nights where you sit there and you go

695
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,549
with that growl because that growl is

696
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:19,440
embedded in my mind

697
00:28:23,510 --> 00:28:22,799
i'm glad we're alive yeah man there are

698
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,520
things

699
00:28:29,909 --> 00:28:26,640
in the forest that are bigger badder

700
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:29,919
and more growlier than us that was a

701
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,960
cool one

702
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,600
another one will do you remember it was

703
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:36,080
freezing i did a horrible job of

704
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:38,159
like trying to keep the camera steady

705
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:39,360
you saw the light

706
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,080
first the amazing light over bottle

707
00:28:46,630 --> 00:28:43,440
hollow like that

708
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:46,640
that's imprinted on my mind and nobody

709
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,520
believes it

710
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:50,000
but there it is on film you know just

711
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:50,559
just

712
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:52,480
funky light going over bottle hollow and

713
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,120
then just disappearing on a tree branch

714
00:28:59,029 --> 00:28:57,440
oh there's there's well here's the thing

715
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:59,039
is that there were so many of those

716
00:29:02,149 --> 00:29:00,640
there was another one oh there's so many

717
00:29:05,830 --> 00:29:02,159
that we didn't get

718
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,840
that you know you know when when you

719
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,720
talk about and

720
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,640
and again you know people are probably

721
00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:09,919
listening to this going

722
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,440
this guy's a pastor and he's he's

723
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:12,960
talking about going

724
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:15,600
out to see the bigfoot and you know

725
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:16,640
having been out to

726
00:29:21,510 --> 00:29:19,600
skinwalker ranch and and and doing all

727
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:21,520
this stuff

728
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:24,399
you know you got to realize that maybe i

729
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,880
should

730
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,880
explain this to people because i'm not

731
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,120
shy about this i i've told

732
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,760
people in my congregation that i i've

733
00:29:36,070 --> 00:29:32,960
been on ghost hunts

734
00:29:39,029 --> 00:29:36,080
i've been on um you know looking

735
00:29:41,750 --> 00:29:39,039
for ufos that i've went out and looked

736
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:41,760
for bigfoot things of that nature

737
00:29:45,029 --> 00:29:43,760
and i and i tell them there's multitude

738
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:45,039
of reasons why i do it

739
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:48,000
uh mainly i go out to spend time with

740
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:48,559
you know

741
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:52,960
my my best friend um to talk with him

742
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:56,320
to uh to share more about jesus with

743
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:57,919
people

744
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:59,600
because when you're sitting there

745
00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,840
talking to people about

746
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:04,399
you know what people believe um how we

747
00:30:08,549 --> 00:30:05,520
got to this planet

748
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,559
i can share the gospel with them but

749
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:10,240
i've always been that guy that i've

750
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:11,200
loved

751
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:14,960
star trek i love star wars i love

752
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:17,520
you know every documentary i could watch

753
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:18,080
on

754
00:30:25,590 --> 00:30:24,320
and i've always had this interest in

755
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:25,600
this

756
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:28,720
idea of what is it you know what

757
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,080
what are these things that people are

758
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,320
seeing

759
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,960
so when we would go out and we would see

760
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:36,159
you know the light over

761
00:30:42,950 --> 00:30:39,840
hollow you just

762
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:42,960
you see it and you go what is it

763
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:47,600
and you try to start you know for us

764
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:50,720
we would always go out there and

765
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,919
eliminate what it could be you know okay

766
00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:55,600
you know we would look up and say okay

767
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:57,200
is that a plane

768
00:31:01,190 --> 00:30:58,960
um yeah it's a plane because it has the

769
00:31:02,870 --> 00:31:01,200
blinking lights sometimes planes fly at

770
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,880
an angle where you don't see the lights

771
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:04,159
right off you gotta

772
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:07,279
kind of like constantly look at it until

773
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,120
you can't prove it or you know

774
00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,919
as clear as it can be out in utah

775
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:16,000
especially on a very dark night with no

776
00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:17,519
moon

777
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:21,200
that

778
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:24,720
where you can track

779
00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:27,679
that stuff so you can you can eliminate

780
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,360
things really easy but there's

781
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:31,919
also that stuff that you just don't know

782
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,399
what it

783
00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:35,519
is and things like the light over bottle

784
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:37,760
hollow

785
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,039
you just watch it in amazement

786
00:31:44,149 --> 00:31:42,960
you know we we were out in another

787
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:44,159
location

788
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,200
by bottle hollow yup where we had that

789
00:31:52,630 --> 00:31:49,519
light come over the ridge

790
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:52,640
and you and i just stood there and

791
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,480
no camera no equipment out

792
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,880
we were just kind of standing you know

793
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,039
doing our thing you know because we

794
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:03,440
we investigated that area for two years

795
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:04,399
straight at least

796
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,080
once twice a week going out

797
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:10,720
and we see this you know this was just

798
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,360
one of those

799
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:13,440
like we're going out hanging out talking

800
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:15,120
you know we'll see if we'll see anything

801
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:17,679
and you'll play around and you know

802
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,120
hopefully not get pulled over by the

803
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,039
cops

804
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,080
but we see this light just

805
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:27,600
come over the ridge and just float

806
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,320
until it finally that just like goes out

807
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:35,360
it was so close yeah it was no plane

808
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:39,039
it was no uh no satellite because it was

809
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,880
low

810
00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:43,360
and you just look at it and we just

811
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:44,720
looked at it

812
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:47,919
in amazement and in silence

813
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:51,200
of just going what is it

814
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,840
and i love those experiences that we we

815
00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:55,039
we've had and we

816
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,399
we will have because

817
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,159
those are times where you can sit there

818
00:33:04,149 --> 00:33:01,840
and you can actually be amazed by

819
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:04,159
something and you can just go

820
00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:07,200
wow and for me

821
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:10,320
you know i it gets me to

822
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:12,880
you know talk to god more and say god

823
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,240
you know explain this to me

824
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:16,720
i would love to know about this and and

825
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:18,399
to dig in the scriptures

826
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:21,519
and do things like this and uh and and

827
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:22,399
every

828
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:25,760
area of you know the the paranormal

829
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:28,480
or you know crypto zoology and stuff

830
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:29,840
like that

831
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:33,600
you know i i always base everything i do

832
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:36,640
on the bible and i go to it

833
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,760
uh for answers i go to it you know i go

834
00:33:45,029 --> 00:33:41,679
to god in prayer before any of

835
00:33:46,789 --> 00:33:45,039
the investigations we've ever been on um

836
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,799
you know say a prayer in the truck or do

837
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:48,159
something like that especially when we

838
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:49,120
went out to the

839
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:52,159
the castle out there where we used to

840
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:53,600
live

841
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:57,840
um because that was a crazy night wow

842
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,080
um i don't know if there is a more evil

843
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:02,000
place in the basin and we'll get into

844
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:03,519
that but yeah let's get back to what you

845
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:04,880
were saying

846
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,159
but yeah you know we

847
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:09,919
you know it gives me an opportunity to

848
00:34:13,349 --> 00:34:11,520
dig deeper and

849
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:13,359
you know to answer certain questions and

850
00:34:18,550 --> 00:34:16,320
i i've had many people criticize me

851
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,560
about saying oh you you shouldn't say

852
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:20,639
that you you've done you know a ghost

853
00:34:26,389 --> 00:34:21,760
hunt or you

854
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,399
went look for ufos well for me

855
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:28,800
i have had some of my best evangelistic

856
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:29,760
experiences

857
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,440
you know sharing the gospel with people

858
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:35,280
during these events and that is what god

859
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,800
is telling me to do especially in

860
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:37,839
matthew 28

861
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:40,399
and to go into all the world go to all

862
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:41,119
nations

863
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:44,159
uh teaching them baptizing them making

864
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:44,560
them

865
00:34:50,470 --> 00:34:48,000
disciples that means for me as

866
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:50,480
a pastor as a christian i'm supposed to

867
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:51,040
go

868
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:54,240
and talk with people that aren't always

869
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:57,119
going to agree with what i have to say

870
00:35:00,950 --> 00:34:58,800
but the thing that i've learned is that

871
00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:00,960
people in

872
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:03,520
that in that community in the the

873
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:04,320
paranormal

874
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:07,200
community and you know the ufo watchers

875
00:35:10,790 --> 00:35:07,839
and

876
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,800
you know all that stuff they're looking

877
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:12,240
for answers

878
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:15,760
and if i can share with them the the

879
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:18,079
answer of of jesus christ their

880
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,680
their lord and savior um that he died on

881
00:35:25,270 --> 00:35:23,119
the cross for them

882
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:25,280
and all they have to do is call upon the

883
00:35:29,910 --> 00:35:27,119
name of jesus to be saved

884
00:35:32,470 --> 00:35:29,920
if i can sit there and i can share that

885
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,480
with them then i've done my job

886
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:34,320
and i get to have fun in the process

887
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:36,320
because some some of the best people

888
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:39,119
that i've met has been you know hanging

889
00:35:42,950 --> 00:35:40,640
out on top of a mountain

890
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,960
looking at god's creation looking at the

891
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:44,560
universe

892
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:48,240
and talking about it it's just

893
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,000
you know one of my one of my most

894
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,040
cherished memories of living in utah

895
00:35:59,829 --> 00:35:56,240
was the first ufo

896
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:59,839
uh you know with the utah ufo hunters

897
00:36:03,190 --> 00:36:01,760
just going out you know behind your

898
00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:03,200
place and just

899
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:05,599
being on top of the ridge and just and

900
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,320
seeing that

901
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:08,960
that uh meteor break up into the sky

902
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:10,160
wild

903
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,920
uh and then sitting down and just

904
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,920
talking

905
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,000
like like people like human beings used

906
00:36:19,670 --> 00:36:17,599
to that's one of my most cherished

907
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:19,680
memories because

908
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:22,640
eventually someone asked me well you're

909
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:24,800
a pastor what do you think how did we

910
00:36:27,589 --> 00:36:25,440
get here

911
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:27,599
and i was able to share the good news of

912
00:36:31,750 --> 00:36:28,560
jesus christ

913
00:36:35,030 --> 00:36:31,760
amen brother amen and

914
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:35,040
you know it is really cool you bond with

915
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:35,839
people on a

916
00:36:42,630 --> 00:36:39,520
totally different level better than

917
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,640
you know when you're you know quickly

918
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:44,640
eating fast food over cell phones and

919
00:36:47,589 --> 00:36:45,920
dinner or something

920
00:36:49,030 --> 00:36:47,599
and it's it's a different kind of

921
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:49,040
bonding because you're kind of forced to

922
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,680
be there for

923
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,760
hours on end with someone in the

924
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,760
expectation of seeing something that

925
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:55,680
does not exist

926
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:58,079
it is going way out on a limb with

927
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,119
someone else

928
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:01,520
and you're kind of you know not to be

929
00:37:04,550 --> 00:37:03,119
weird but you're kind of like going out

930
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,560
on a limb with someone else like are we

931
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,160
doing this like let's do this

932
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:08,240
this could get weird and when it gets

933
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:11,599
weird it's something special

934
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:14,960
it is and yeah i love how you

935
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,800
put it like that because i remember the

936
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,800
first time we ever went out i'm sitting

937
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,079
there thinking to myself

938
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,720
am i really going to do this i you know

939
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:24,800
i've met this guy once

940
00:37:30,390 --> 00:37:28,800
as i ambushed him at his house and

941
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,400
now we're going to go out and we're

942
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:33,040
going to go

943
00:37:38,230 --> 00:37:35,440
sit on a piece of property overlooking

944
00:37:42,390 --> 00:37:38,240
another piece of property

945
00:37:44,950 --> 00:37:42,400
and am i really going to go do this

946
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:44,960
until you know two three o'clock in the

947
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:46,800
morning

948
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:50,000
and you know you you sit there and you

949
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:53,440
do it i mean you build these friendships

950
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:54,400
you build this

951
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,480
this this bond um

952
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:01,440
things that you know that goes way

953
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,720
beyond

954
00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:05,920
the the realm of we're gonna look for

955
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,200
ufos but then it bleeds into

956
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:12,880
you know being family together and

957
00:38:18,870 --> 00:38:14,960
you know going on vacations together and

958
00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,880
doing you know other things together

959
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:21,280
which is the things that that means so

960
00:38:26,390 --> 00:38:23,280
much more

961
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,400
and yeah as you said

962
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:28,160
you know we sit there and we go hey

963
00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:30,160
we're going to go do this together

964
00:38:34,150 --> 00:38:32,800
and we also have to trust each other we

965
00:38:37,109 --> 00:38:34,160
also have to

966
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,119
look out for each other we have to you

967
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,400
know be able to

968
00:38:42,950 --> 00:38:40,640
you know be there for each other because

969
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:42,960
sometimes you're out there

970
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:45,839
you're you're in the middle of something

971
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,839
possibly running down a hill because

972
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:50,079
something's chasing you

973
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:52,240
and thinking to yourself i could fall

974
00:38:56,069 --> 00:38:54,640
crash and i hope this guy can pick me up

975
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:56,079
and carry me to the truck

976
00:39:02,710 --> 00:38:59,760
amen yeah

977
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:02,720
and that brings a really good point up

978
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,040
like

979
00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:05,760
you do bond on a deeper level and not

980
00:39:11,829 --> 00:39:07,839
only do you bond on a deeper level

981
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:11,839
you are you're in an experience

982
00:39:18,150 --> 00:39:16,160
that requires a leap of faith

983
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:18,160
and like you said there's very real

984
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,599
things that can get

985
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,680
in your way and hurt you and you don't

986
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:24,240
have to even like the people because

987
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:27,359
like it's i've had experiences where uh

988
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,280
we've gone out with researchers and

989
00:39:32,710 --> 00:39:31,440
there's researchers you can like

990
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,720
but then you're out in the field and you

991
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:34,640
can't trust them or researchers

992
00:39:40,710 --> 00:39:38,240
you you know it's really strange but um

993
00:39:42,390 --> 00:39:40,720
you got to have both things going on and

994
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,400
and it's like one of those uh

995
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:44,960
you know we've seen many things i want

996
00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:47,119
to mention ryan skinner as well

997
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:49,359
and dave rosenfeld and many other

998
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:50,880
researchers who have gone out in the

999
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:51,920
field

1000
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:54,400
and they're people you trust because you

1001
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:56,079
know they have your back at the end of

1002
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,520
the day no matter what they

1003
00:40:01,910 --> 00:39:59,839
think of you no matter what you said

1004
00:40:03,910 --> 00:40:01,920
earlier that might have offended them

1005
00:40:06,069 --> 00:40:03,920
but there's something a little bit

1006
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,079
deeper you bought on a deeper level and

1007
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,599
when you're with people that have seen

1008
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:09,359
this stuff before you can

1009
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:12,480
kinda i don't know there's a camaraderie

1010
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:13,280
that comes

1011
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:17,280
with the ability to see something

1012
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:19,680
i don't know it's so hard to explain

1013
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:21,920
well you know i i sit there and i think

1014
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:25,280
you know when we've had experiences

1015
00:40:29,430 --> 00:40:27,839
no matter who you're with you you'll

1016
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,440
have one of those experiences

1017
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:32,160
if you do it long enough i mean you know

1018
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:32,800
i

1019
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:36,720
some of the the shows that we

1020
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,920
we used to watch uh doing investigations

1021
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:41,599
and they would go out there for a night

1022
00:40:43,829 --> 00:40:42,400
and

1023
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,839
you know they would see something or not

1024
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,680
see anything and stuff like that

1025
00:40:49,270 --> 00:40:47,359
and we know that if you want to do a

1026
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,280
true investigation you have to do

1027
00:40:52,870 --> 00:40:51,280
you have to put your time in and you

1028
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:52,880
have to do it and

1029
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,400
there will be some nights where you go

1030
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:56,880
out and you don't see anything at all

1031
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:59,920
you know you're sitting there going well

1032
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:01,440
i'm going to fall asleep on the way home

1033
00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:04,560
because tonight's been so boring

1034
00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:07,359
and then you see things you know where

1035
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:08,240
you sit there

1036
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:11,839
and you have that moment

1037
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,599
in time that bonds you together that no

1038
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:17,040
matter what happens in

1039
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,400
in the future you can always even just

1040
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,680
go back and say hey

1041
00:41:25,990 --> 00:41:24,319
you know you remember that that that

1042
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:26,000
moment

1043
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:29,200
uh that that time where

1044
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:31,280
that craziness happened and we were

1045
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,720
amazed and

1046
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:34,800
you know you you mentioned uh ryan

1047
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:36,400
skinner who

1048
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:40,480
um is the reason we we ended up meeting

1049
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,760
and i remember he and i were up uh

1050
00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:45,440
uh you and you and some other people

1051
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,960
were down uh

1052
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,400
he doesn't get the credit down into the

1053
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:50,800
area yeah we could see you we were above

1054
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:51,440
you on

1055
00:41:56,710 --> 00:41:54,000
uh i got i guess we were kind of up on a

1056
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:56,720
little bit more of a ridge than you all

1057
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,560
and you know we sit there and we saw

1058
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,599
you know we knew you had a flashlight

1059
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,160
um and i i think you were with two other

1060
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:08,160
people but you had the flashlight

1061
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:11,920
and then behind you all we saw another

1062
00:42:17,510 --> 00:42:14,960
set of three people with a flashlight

1063
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:17,520
and it was it was like a mirror image

1064
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:18,640
exactly

1065
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:21,920
and we're both like are you seeing this

1066
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:23,680
and then we we call down you and we're

1067
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:25,760
like uh are did you all get another

1068
00:42:31,109 --> 00:42:27,839
flashlight are you separated

1069
00:42:34,390 --> 00:42:31,119
and you're like no it's just us

1070
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:34,400
and and me and me and ryan skinner were

1071
00:42:41,750 --> 00:42:37,200
up on this ridge looking at this going

1072
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,760
uh dude what is this

1073
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:43,839
we have no idea and then it just kind of

1074
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,119
vanished

1075
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:47,200
i remember that just peeking behind the

1076
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:48,960
veil together and that is an

1077
00:42:55,589 --> 00:42:52,079
area that man

1078
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:55,599
oh my gosh if it wasn't if i

1079
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,800
anyway yeah we to cut back to what you

1080
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,720
were saying the observer is so key in

1081
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,160
some of this stuff because

1082
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:05,040
like you said we were going to these

1083
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:05,920
areas

1084
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:09,359
as observers we became bonded

1085
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,560
to these areas as observers and

1086
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,160
you know what's crazy like you know we

1087
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,400
used to discuss that like oh my gosh

1088
00:43:19,670 --> 00:43:18,560
like you need to literally be here all

1089
00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:19,680
the time

1090
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:22,800
to have any idea what's going on and

1091
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:26,240
now we literally like own the property

1092
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:26,960
that we

1093
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:30,400
used to be on and what's weird i love it

1094
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:31,440
that you own that now

1095
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:33,520
i'll be very honest with you i i love

1096
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:35,680
that

1097
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:39,200
it's so weird it's so it's so it is so

1098
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:43,040
um yeah it just it's a self-fulfilling

1099
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,160
prophecy

1100
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,880
and it to you know when people say like

1101
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,880
oh your intention doesn't matter

1102
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,720
be careful within the garden of your

1103
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,480
mind because the seeds

1104
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:55,920
that you choose will sow and the soil

1105
00:44:02,230 --> 00:43:59,200
you know receives that and uh

1106
00:44:03,750 --> 00:44:02,240
cultivates it and you know whatever does

1107
00:44:06,790 --> 00:44:03,760
the rest because

1108
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:06,800
it is very strange that

1109
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:08,480
there were so many experiences that took

1110
00:44:12,870 --> 00:44:09,839
place there and

1111
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,880
now it's just like oh yeah it's just the

1112
00:44:18,069 --> 00:44:14,160
place and

1113
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:18,079
um it the whole basin really in general

1114
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:19,920
i know that you and i

1115
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:22,800
one moment i just cannot erase from my

1116
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:23,520
mind

1117
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:26,720
is my father had passed away

1118
00:44:32,230 --> 00:44:30,160
and we were walking through literally

1119
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,240
you and i were walking through literally

1120
00:44:38,309 --> 00:44:34,400
thousands of acres of complete

1121
00:44:41,670 --> 00:44:38,319
darkness in the moonlight in gl2

1122
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:41,680
and there was just this moment like man

1123
00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,560
we are in the middle of nowhere and we

1124
00:44:48,150 --> 00:44:46,400
were discussing like super heavy stuff

1125
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:48,160
but it was really easy

1126
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,680
because of where we were

1127
00:44:55,109 --> 00:44:54,400
yeah it was you know and especially

1128
00:44:56,470 --> 00:44:55,119
after

1129
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:56,480
you know when you're when your dad

1130
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,240
passed away

1131
00:45:02,390 --> 00:45:01,119
you know our our time out in the field

1132
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,400
was more about

1133
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:04,319
you know bonding you know especially for

1134
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:07,680
me to to make sure you were okay

1135
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,319
um you know because you know

1136
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:15,680
not to go into the big story of of that

1137
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:16,880
time

1138
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,880
but i just really knew that i needed to

1139
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:23,520
be with you to you know be able to talk

1140
00:45:27,430 --> 00:45:23,920
to you

1141
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:27,440
stuff like that and as we walked

1142
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:38,870
area that we really didn't know too much

1143
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:39,359
about

1144
00:45:46,470 --> 00:45:43,119
getting into it um we

1145
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,480
you know we just we knew the area as in

1146
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:48,319
the the physical location

1147
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:51,760
but nothing that we were going to

1148
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:55,760
experience or expect

1149
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,079
and i remember we were walking down that

1150
00:46:01,589 --> 00:45:59,520
road and talking

1151
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:01,599
trying to get there and the stuff

1152
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,040
started happening right away

1153
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,599
but most of all it was just about you

1154
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:10,400
know trying to

1155
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:14,960
further our bond trying to yeah

1156
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:18,160
trying to just get over the the

1157
00:46:25,670 --> 00:46:21,920
huge emotion that that had happened

1158
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:25,680
um and and yeah

1159
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:28,800
you know things were happening um and it

1160
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:32,240
and it cemented that area

1161
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,640
and i mean i i'll be honest i still go

1162
00:46:39,990 --> 00:46:36,480
on google maps and

1163
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,000
you know or google earth and i'll i'll

1164
00:46:43,349 --> 00:46:42,000
look in on the area and stuff like that

1165
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:43,359
overhead

1166
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:47,280
uh and just remember those little

1167
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:50,560
incidences out there because

1168
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,760
they some of them were like amazing and

1169
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:55,119
like huge and big

1170
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:56,560
and things like that and then there were

1171
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:58,160
just these little things

1172
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:02,160
that that just happened

1173
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,280
as because of the area it

1174
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,520
it really is it's an area where you can

1175
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:10,319
get you can lose yourself in the area

1176
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,480
and that can be a good thing sometimes

1177
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:14,400
it can be a bad thing sometimes and

1178
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:17,760
it is uh so true i remember that that

1179
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,000
particular evening the high strangeness

1180
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,599
was off the charts

1181
00:47:25,990 --> 00:47:23,680
but we just kind of wandered down the

1182
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:26,000
road almost away from it like we're just

1183
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:27,760
kind of you know give us a minute

1184
00:47:32,309 --> 00:47:30,880
man like like we're you know and

1185
00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,319
and it turned into a really incredible

1186
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:34,559
night and we know that it was weird and

1187
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:36,559
it's a weird area so we can always go

1188
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:37,520
there for that

1189
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,880
but it's it's so true with the entire

1190
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:43,359
basin and we've had some amazing

1191
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,400
experiences in

1192
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:46,880
other areas that without going into

1193
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,200
detail like when we've been privy to

1194
00:47:55,430 --> 00:47:52,079
being on tribal lands with permission

1195
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:55,440
i mean that was mind-blowing to me oh

1196
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,720
i yeah i that was that was fun for so

1197
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:00,480
many reasons

1198
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,720
uh to be able to to go out on their land

1199
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:08,079
uh you know again with permission

1200
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:11,760
and to see things and see

1201
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,720
you know well honestly being being given

1202
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,000
a tour

1203
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:20,000
of this stuff as well and just

1204
00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:22,000
having that that atmosphere and that

1205
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:23,359
culture and

1206
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:25,920
embraced in it and understanding that

1207
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:30,790
there's not a lot of people that are

1208
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,240
going to get to do this there's some

1209
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:34,319
real magic

1210
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:37,359
even that little spring of water that we

1211
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,480
oh my gosh came up to um

1212
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:43,760
and was given the story about uh

1213
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:46,400
it we both have the same idea of like i

1214
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,000
want to drink from this water

1215
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,960
totally and we were basically told ah

1216
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:52,640
you probably shouldn't

1217
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:56,079
um exactly unless you have a gift and we

1218
00:49:02,870 --> 00:48:59,440
we didn't have the proper gift on us uh

1219
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:02,880
but you know maybe someday that is one

1220
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:04,960
of those coolest things

1221
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,000
i've seen and being able to do

1222
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:11,200
that you know was

1223
00:49:21,670 --> 00:49:18,790
there are there's a lot of those one

1224
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:21,680
interesting and funny i have to mention

1225
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:23,359
one of the funniest and i miss this

1226
00:49:27,829 --> 00:49:24,319
white truck here

1227
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,839
so much that ford that ford truck

1228
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,599
you remember where it was like negative

1229
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:31,119
30 degrees

1230
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:35,040
we were we were constantly in fear

1231
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,800
of being arrested in many of these

1232
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,800
locations where we were just parked on

1233
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:40,480
the side of the road looking for weird

1234
00:49:43,270 --> 00:49:40,960
stuff

1235
00:49:43,990 --> 00:49:43,280
and i mean let's face it the police come

1236
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,000
up and see a car

1237
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,440
parked on the side of the road and

1238
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,280
they're like and they usually

1239
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:48,640
you know they're like they know why

1240
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,400
you're there but

1241
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,040
um you know we would come up with the

1242
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,440
silliest excuses and it was so cold and

1243
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,119
do you remember that excuse

1244
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,359
so so can i can i tell the story of

1245
00:50:02,309 --> 00:50:00,880
where we were at

1246
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,319
i don't think we'll get in trouble for

1247
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,400
this because i don't know

1248
00:50:10,829 --> 00:50:07,440
can we i don't know like more or less

1249
00:50:13,829 --> 00:50:10,839
we'll say it was it was under old old

1250
00:50:14,150 --> 00:50:13,839
ownership uh and we were we were still

1251
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,160
on

1252
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,880
county road we we weren't trespassing we

1253
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:18,160
weren't doing anything

1254
00:50:23,670 --> 00:50:21,599
but uh we were uh well i'll just okay

1255
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:23,680
i'll tell it yeah i'm not i'm not

1256
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:24,800
discouraged go for it

1257
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:29,680
as they say um so we had

1258
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,359
we had been investigating around

1259
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:33,680
skinwalker ranch

1260
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,040
and we had noticed that

1261
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:39,760
some people were leaving the front gate

1262
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:41,839
of skinwalker ranch now this is

1263
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:45,119
back uh before the new owners took

1264
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,559
new owner took over and

1265
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:51,599
so we we just decided we're gonna sit

1266
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:54,720
at the very start of the road uh that

1267
00:50:59,910 --> 00:50:56,240
goes down to the main gate

1268
00:51:03,510 --> 00:50:59,920
of skinwalker ranch and we just parked

1269
00:51:05,990 --> 00:51:03,520
parked the truck it was great

1270
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:06,000
to the side of the road it's running

1271
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:07,119
because yeah it's like

1272
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:11,520
negative something outside it's cold

1273
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:13,920
and all of a sudden we see police lights

1274
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:14,640
behind us

1275
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:18,319
and i'm thinking oh my goodness what

1276
00:51:23,349 --> 00:51:21,440
i mean out of all the times that we ever

1277
00:51:25,750 --> 00:51:23,359
this was the only time we ever had cops

1278
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:25,760
i mean we never we were very respectful

1279
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:28,160
of every place we went to

1280
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:30,400
you know we did not trespass we didn't

1281
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:32,640
do anything like that

1282
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:35,839
uh very respectful but we knew that at

1283
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,040
any point a cop could

1284
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:39,440
come tell us to you know technically

1285
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,680
could come tell us to get off any peace

1286
00:51:45,670 --> 00:51:42,800
property

1287
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:45,680
uh even if we have permission um because

1288
00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:46,400
that area

1289
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:48,319
there's certain areas you know there's

1290
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:50,400
native land and not

1291
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,960
even if you know someone owns it but

1292
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:56,400
you know we're we're out there we're

1293
00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:57,760
just parked on the side of the road

1294
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,079
where

1295
00:52:01,670 --> 00:52:00,319
we're kind of waiting just to see who's

1296
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,680
going to drive by

1297
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,359
we kind of had ideas of who we thought

1298
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:05,440
it was um

1299
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,119
but all of a sudden we got a cop behind

1300
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:09,359
us and he comes to the window

1301
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:12,480
i rolled down my window in my my ford

1302
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:13,680
f-150

1303
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:17,119
uh i believe it was a 98 or 99.

1304
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,280
i really missed missed that truck this

1305
00:52:24,549 --> 00:52:21,119
is great um

1306
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,559
and and he goes uh

1307
00:52:28,710 --> 00:52:26,400
and and again got a preference to this

1308
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:28,720
because on the back of my

1309
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,400
uh i had one of those uh uh oh what are

1310
00:52:37,190 --> 00:52:34,079
they the camper bad things the shells

1311
00:52:41,510 --> 00:52:37,200
yeah on the back of my truck

1312
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,520
and on that uh it has a utah ufo hunter

1313
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,359
sticker on there

1314
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:46,319
and he comes up to the window and he i

1315
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:47,920
wrote it down

1316
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:56,069
and out of every excuse i could have

1317
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,119
used

1318
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,440
i said well my truck is overheated so

1319
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:01,200
i'm letting it cool down

1320
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:06,240
in like negative 20 to 30 degree weather

1321
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:10,000
and he looks at me and he goes huh

1322
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,599
well you know we get a lot of people

1323
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,280
coming down this road because of the

1324
00:53:16,790 --> 00:53:15,359
ranch at the end of the road and

1325
00:53:18,549 --> 00:53:16,800
well we just like to kind of tell them

1326
00:53:21,510 --> 00:53:18,559
to move on and we were like

1327
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:21,520
okay yeah we're we're moving all right

1328
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,079
well you

1329
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,640
you have a good night i was like i

1330
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:25,599
couldn't

1331
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:28,800
ah what was i thinking my truck

1332
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:31,520
overheated on one of the coldest nights

1333
00:53:39,589 --> 00:53:35,839
we ever investigated so cold

1334
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:39,599
man so funny um i was recently talking

1335
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:40,319
to

1336
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:44,800
uh some previous security guards

1337
00:53:50,390 --> 00:53:48,079
and what was so funny is hearing

1338
00:53:51,270 --> 00:53:50,400
their version of the interaction at the

1339
00:53:53,990 --> 00:53:51,280
time

1340
00:53:56,309 --> 00:53:54,000
and it's so funny like you know them

1341
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,319
shooting like lasers at us and

1342
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,800
and what we were doing to them and and

1343
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,920
it's just funny

1344
00:54:03,430 --> 00:54:02,640
um because it's all in good fun now and

1345
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:03,440
it's great

1346
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,599
do you do you know that the first time

1347
00:54:10,150 --> 00:54:07,040
we ever went out

1348
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,160
um and we we parked

1349
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,160
we well i can say this now we parked on

1350
00:54:17,990 --> 00:54:13,920
your property

1351
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,000
um and we backed the truck up

1352
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:20,079
and you started getting stuff out of the

1353
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,319
truck and yeah they shot lasers at us

1354
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:27,040
and it like the it was green lasers and

1355
00:54:30,230 --> 00:54:27,920
it hit me

1356
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:30,240
and i'm like what is going on this is my

1357
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,240
first time ever being out

1358
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,040
investigating and i got green lasers

1359
00:54:39,190 --> 00:54:37,920
shot at me and i'm like speechless like

1360
00:54:41,589 --> 00:54:39,200
and you're like getting something out of

1361
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,599
the back of the truck you don't ever see

1362
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:43,520
it and it shuts off and i'm just like

1363
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,960
did you see that they're like you're

1364
00:54:49,030 --> 00:54:46,559
like what i'm like there was just a

1365
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:49,040
green laser shot at us

1366
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:53,280
it's like oh my goodness really guys

1367
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:56,319
wild so fun

1368
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:59,040
and the you know the interesting ones

1369
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:00,000
one of the more

1370
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,040
i so many interesting uh

1371
00:55:06,630 --> 00:55:05,599
things that took place but one of the

1372
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:06,640
more interesting

1373
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:09,040
getting back to that castle and how evil

1374
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,319
that place is

1375
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:12,079
going going to that place i mean it was

1376
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:14,720
really creepy

1377
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:18,079
oh yeah so i mean we we had talked about

1378
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:19,200
this place we'd

1379
00:55:24,470 --> 00:55:22,640
heard stories about this place and

1380
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:24,480
it's one of those places you gotta you

1381
00:55:28,710 --> 00:55:25,920
gotta find it

1382
00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:28,720
you gotta you gotta basically see the

1383
00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:30,799
top of it through

1384
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,960
uh the trees and then you gotta narrow

1385
00:55:38,630 --> 00:55:35,440
down the road to turn on

1386
00:55:40,630 --> 00:55:38,640
um but i i mean for the listeners this

1387
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,640
the story goes screw this place don't go

1388
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:42,960
correct me if i if i mess something up

1389
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:45,520
if i'm trying to remember but a man was

1390
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:46,720
building it for

1391
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:49,760
his wife and their child or

1392
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,119
child to be one the two yeah um and

1393
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:56,400
they lost the child and the child passed

1394
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:57,520
away

1395
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:00,640
the the mother the wife got really

1396
00:56:05,510 --> 00:56:01,520
depressed

1397
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:05,520
and she ended up uh committing suicide

1398
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:08,720
and and he just abandoned

1399
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,880
the the house the building of it so

1400
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:12,400
there's this

1401
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,599
this half build house you know in the in

1402
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,920
the desert of utah

1403
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:20,319
uh that and we called the castle because

1404
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:22,400
it has a kind of like a peak on it

1405
00:56:29,670 --> 00:56:26,880
and uh uh things of that nature

1406
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,680
and now craig pregnant if i'm wrong did

1407
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:30,720
the

1408
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,079
um i'm looking at sorry uh 1975.

1409
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:56,160
but yeah i mean everything that you're

1410
00:57:01,190 --> 00:56:57,680
saying

1411
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:01,200
there is it's hard because a lot of this

1412
00:57:05,670 --> 00:57:03,599
there's some local legend involved

1413
00:57:07,829 --> 00:57:05,680
and you know you hear things that are

1414
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:07,839
just hearsay or second person third

1415
00:57:12,150 --> 00:57:08,240
person

1416
00:57:14,069 --> 00:57:12,160
happened off the balcony

1417
00:57:15,670 --> 00:57:14,079
and i don't know if it was the woman who

1418
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,680
hung herself

1419
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,520
but i don't know there was there was

1420
00:57:22,390 --> 00:57:19,200
other things involved and then

1421
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:22,400
there's strange other buildings and

1422
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,160
also uh the plaque itself is interesting

1423
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:29,440
now now did she do this did she commit

1424
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:30,319
suicide

1425
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,640
at the house man i don't know that's one

1426
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:34,640
of the things i was trying to remember

1427
00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:38,079
no idea okay so i just kind of looked it

1428
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:40,480
up and it says the abandoned castle

1429
00:57:47,430 --> 00:57:43,920
uh was built in the seventies

1430
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:47,440
uh true uh says it isn't your

1431
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:49,839
traditional medieval castle

1432
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:55,119
but has some lightness

1433
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,520
well that's that i love how it says the

1434
00:58:01,190 --> 00:57:59,520
castle is on a road between salt lake

1435
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:01,200
and vernal

1436
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,839
that that's not narrowed down at all

1437
00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:04,799
good enough

1438
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:08,559
um but yeah so we we go out there

1439
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:12,480
to investigate

1440
00:58:18,789 --> 00:58:15,680
this this castle and you know when

1441
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:18,799
when i get there uh there's me you and

1442
00:58:26,549 --> 00:58:22,960
and another uh another gentleman

1443
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:26,559
and you know i i knew that this could

1444
00:58:29,430 --> 00:58:26,960
have

1445
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,440
possibly been a you know we're going to

1446
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:30,640
go technically on

1447
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,319
on a ghost time uh and i have i have my

1448
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,280
own thoughts and opinions on ghost

1449
00:58:41,430 --> 00:58:38,960
because i'm a christian because i'm a

1450
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:41,440
pastor i don't necessarily

1451
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:45,040
believe in ghosts that it is

1452
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,240
you know your your long-lost aunt who

1453
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:51,440
is in your kitchen cooking you food and

1454
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,280
and just wants to see your face one last

1455
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:54,640
time um

1456
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:58,240
i i think that there is a very uh

1457
00:59:05,589 --> 00:59:02,079
devious entity involved

1458
00:59:07,589 --> 00:59:05,599
because in my position as pastor i

1459
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:07,599
believe in heaven and hell

1460
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:10,720
i don't believe in in between but i do

1461
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:12,000
believe that you can

1462
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,440
uh things can deceive you uh

1463
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,480
from believing in heaven i believe

1464
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:21,119
that you know satan will do everything

1465
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:22,640
he can to make someone

1466
00:59:29,109 --> 00:59:26,559
not believe in the promises of god

1467
00:59:31,109 --> 00:59:29,119
so that entity is there to basically

1468
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:31,119
deceive you

1469
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,920
it may not be a popular opinion but

1470
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:36,079
based on my faith based on what i've

1471
00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:37,839
studied based on what i've seen

1472
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:40,160
that's that's where i that's where i'm

1473
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:41,520
at

1474
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,319
i'm going to sit in the truck and i'm

1475
00:59:54,309 --> 00:59:50,559
going to say a prayer

1476
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,319
uh invite you know the people in it to

1477
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:57,359
pray with us to be protected

1478
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:01,280
and man getting into this

1479
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:05,359
castle right away yep investigating it

1480
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:09,760
and i mean i mean i don't even

1481
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:13,520
you know anyway getting in it

1482
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:16,559
looking around like hearing the the

1483
01:00:19,349 --> 01:00:17,599
cracks you got

1484
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:19,359
you got the wind involved kind of

1485
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:21,760
blowing through the trees

1486
01:00:27,510 --> 01:00:25,280
um you know you gotta deal possibly with

1487
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:27,520
animals and stuff like that and then we

1488
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:28,559
start setting up

1489
01:00:33,109 --> 01:00:32,400
motion uh motion lights uh within the

1490
01:00:35,510 --> 01:00:33,119
house

1491
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,520
all the gear yeah uh and you know with

1492
01:00:39,430 --> 01:00:37,680
that you know it might be a mouse it

1493
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:39,440
might be a bird it might be

1494
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:42,400
you know a possum a raccoon something of

1495
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,359
that nature

1496
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:45,440
if it runs past it so you got to try to

1497
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:51,190
but again we we started having like

1498
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:52,319
lights go off

1499
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,079
or go on uh that

1500
01:00:59,109 --> 01:00:58,000
there's there's nothing there to

1501
01:01:03,270 --> 01:00:59,119
activate it

1502
01:01:03,910 --> 01:01:03,280
um and then the like the bumps started

1503
01:01:06,789 --> 01:01:03,920
happening

1504
01:01:08,309 --> 01:01:06,799
like the things slamming right above our

1505
01:01:12,309 --> 01:01:08,319
head yeah it was a

1506
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,319
two-story house uh and right above

1507
01:01:15,349 --> 01:01:14,400
our head like literally right above our

1508
01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:15,359
head in the

1509
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:18,720
the floor above us it felt like

1510
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:23,040
a are you know it felt and it sounded

1511
01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:26,799
like someone just slammed into the

1512
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:28,160
ground

1513
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:31,119
above us and again we knew that there

1514
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:31,440
was

1515
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,880
no one else in this area we knew that

1516
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:36,640
there was no like homeless people

1517
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,359
sleeping there or kids sleeping there or

1518
01:01:45,030 --> 01:01:42,079
doing what kids do

1519
01:01:46,710 --> 01:01:45,040
you know we we knew that the the amount

1520
01:01:48,870 --> 01:01:46,720
of noise that happened there

1521
01:01:50,789 --> 01:01:48,880
could not have been like a a you know

1522
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:50,799
raccoon or a possum or

1523
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:53,920
something like that but

1524
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:55,520
you just have these things happen and

1525
01:02:01,430 --> 01:01:58,160
you go oh

1526
01:02:02,870 --> 01:02:01,440
then for for me and

1527
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:02,880
you know kind of sounding what you're

1528
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:05,200
saying

1529
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:08,240
it was not good these were things that

1530
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:08,880
were

1531
01:02:17,990 --> 01:02:15,520
get us to leave the house to exit the

1532
01:02:20,710 --> 01:02:18,000
house to get out of the house

1533
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:20,720
um almost in the threatening sense of

1534
01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:22,160
what i felt yeah

1535
01:02:26,230 --> 01:02:24,240
and even knowing that we had to go and

1536
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:26,240
retrieve the equipment

1537
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:27,440
didn't even want to do that because i

1538
01:02:30,870 --> 01:02:29,039
know at one point i left the house and

1539
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:30,880
i'm like i don't think i can go back in

1540
01:02:35,109 --> 01:02:32,000
there

1541
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:35,119
um and you know possibly thinking we'll

1542
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:36,400
just come back in the morning and try to

1543
01:02:42,150 --> 01:02:38,400
get the equipment

1544
01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:42,160
but you know when you go

1545
01:02:49,670 --> 01:02:45,119
out and and do that stuff yeah i mean

1546
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:49,680
you have to be spiritually prepared to

1547
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:53,359
go basically into battle um

1548
01:03:00,069 --> 01:02:56,880
and yeah ew i mean

1549
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:00,079
what was your thoughts on that night man

1550
01:03:09,750 --> 01:03:07,430
to put it bluntly i'm going through my

1551
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:09,760
emotions and the place was just evil

1552
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:13,599
it was just pure evil and nowadays

1553
01:03:17,750 --> 01:03:15,280
i've had some pretty scary events take

1554
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:17,760
place there since and nowadays that

1555
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:18,160
place

1556
01:03:22,549 --> 01:03:20,640
i mean it really needs to be locked down

1557
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:22,559
it sounds so bad

1558
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:25,520
but or you know analyzed in it deeper a

1559
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,079
different

1560
01:03:32,390 --> 01:03:29,280
deeper level but that location

1561
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:32,400
is uh currently

1562
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,029
effigies on the walls of skinwalkers

1563
01:03:49,190 --> 01:03:46,079
and shape shifters and black magic

1564
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,200
and you name it all kinds of pentagrams

1565
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:51,599
so there's definitely completion of at

1566
01:03:56,470 --> 01:03:53,920
least some kind of ritualistic

1567
01:03:57,349 --> 01:03:56,480
symbolism taking place i can certify

1568
01:04:00,870 --> 01:03:57,359
that

1569
01:04:03,670 --> 01:04:00,880
now the place in general

1570
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,680
super haunted that's my opinion super

1571
01:04:08,710 --> 01:04:06,000
haunted

1572
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:08,720
yeah i you know what when we went out

1573
01:04:10,789 --> 01:04:09,359
there when we

1574
01:04:13,829 --> 01:04:10,799
when we first went out there we knew

1575
01:04:17,190 --> 01:04:13,839
that it was a place that a lot of the

1576
01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:17,200
the teenagers would go to to to drink

1577
01:04:20,390 --> 01:04:17,760
beer

1578
01:04:20,789 --> 01:04:20,400
to you know to make out to do other

1579
01:04:24,630 --> 01:04:20,799
things

1580
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:24,640
yeah like a lover's life um sure but

1581
01:04:28,870 --> 01:04:27,440
yeah i mean to know that p and i i mean

1582
01:04:29,270 --> 01:04:28,880
i've heard through the grapevine that

1583
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:29,280
people

1584
01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:32,480
are using that that area uh

1585
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:35,680
and have used that house as a

1586
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:39,200
i guess a almost sanctuary

1587
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,520
to uh to dark magic and stuff like that

1588
01:04:47,589 --> 01:04:45,839
yes once you start doing that especially

1589
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:47,599
in that area

1590
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:50,559
you know once you start you know like

1591
01:04:55,029 --> 01:04:51,839
inviting in the

1592
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:55,039
this evil uh into your life

1593
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:58,960
and and doing that aspect i mean

1594
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:01,920
that's not a road you want to go down um

1595
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:03,280
you know i

1596
01:05:07,029 --> 01:05:05,839
and and again i i you know you

1597
01:05:10,549 --> 01:05:07,039
preference this by

1598
01:05:12,549 --> 01:05:10,559
by saying you know i'm not i'm not the

1599
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:12,559
type of pastor that is

1600
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:14,000
that is like you know if you play

1601
01:05:17,510 --> 01:05:15,760
dungeons and dragons you're

1602
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:17,520
you're allowing witchcraft in your life

1603
01:05:20,789 --> 01:05:18,799
because i i have a huge

1604
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,799
dungeons and dragons collection right in

1605
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:22,559
front of my face sure

1606
01:05:26,870 --> 01:05:25,920
um you know but i will say that you have

1607
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:26,880
to

1608
01:05:30,150 --> 01:05:29,119
tread lightly when you when you do these

1609
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:30,160
things when you do

1610
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:33,200
go on to especially

1611
01:05:36,390 --> 01:05:35,440
like ghost hunting investigations if you

1612
01:05:39,270 --> 01:05:36,400
go into

1613
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:39,280
different parts of the uintah basin uh

1614
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:40,880
you know known as you know the path of

1615
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:42,720
the skinwalker and stuff that

1616
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:46,240
magic is there a lot of all this stuff

1617
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:49,200
what was based around was based around

1618
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:50,079
dark magic

1619
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:53,200
and it was basically uh

1620
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:55,280
you know with witchcraft and and things

1621
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:56,400
of that nature not

1622
01:06:02,150 --> 01:06:00,000
in the you know you know rah-rah

1623
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,160
witchcraft of harry potter but the

1624
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:04,000
actual like

1625
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:07,280
you know you know trying to summon

1626
01:06:12,470 --> 01:06:11,440
dark entities to invite them into the

1627
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,480
world which

1628
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:15,440
you know i think you know if if a person

1629
01:06:17,589 --> 01:06:16,160
does that

1630
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:17,599
you know they have to understand that

1631
01:06:22,950 --> 01:06:19,760
the concept of you know what

1632
01:06:25,270 --> 01:06:22,960
you know demons do um

1633
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:25,280
what you know the if you whatever you

1634
01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:26,400
want to call them demons

1635
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:30,000
uh you know satan's abandoned misfits

1636
01:06:37,109 --> 01:06:30,640
are

1637
01:06:39,190 --> 01:06:37,119
you know it's not something you just

1638
01:06:42,549 --> 01:06:39,200
kind of you play about that's why

1639
01:06:45,990 --> 01:06:42,559
it for me whenever we go into that and

1640
01:06:47,349 --> 01:06:46,000
you know i heard the stories but yeah if

1641
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:47,359
you were like hey you want to go back to

1642
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:48,160
this place i'm

1643
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:52,160
like um no i don't know about that

1644
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:52,640
because

1645
01:06:59,670 --> 01:06:57,280
it was it was a lot of

1646
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:59,680
a lot of battle and you know and i've

1647
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:00,799
talked to other

1648
01:07:07,109 --> 01:07:04,079
uh christian investigators before uh

1649
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:07,119
people that have done things and we've

1650
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,960
all had that experience

1651
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,039
uh you know some here in you know where

1652
01:07:16,390 --> 01:07:13,200
i'm at now in missouri

1653
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:16,400
uh are in other areas

1654
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:19,200
where you know there's just that one

1655
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:21,839
place that you go to

1656
01:07:29,270 --> 01:07:25,520
that is evil there there is an

1657
01:07:32,470 --> 01:07:29,280
evil there that

1658
01:07:34,950 --> 01:07:32,480
you just you really don't want to don't

1659
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:34,960
and shouldn't mess with

1660
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:38,000
and you know for us you know out of that

1661
01:07:45,190 --> 01:07:43,359
that castle you know that was you know

1662
01:07:47,190 --> 01:07:45,200
going into it getting the the you know

1663
01:07:49,589 --> 01:07:47,200
little goosebumps and seeing the lights

1664
01:07:53,430 --> 01:07:49,599
kind of flicker and stuff like that

1665
01:07:58,150 --> 01:07:53,440
um but for me that that slam

1666
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:58,160
uh that happened that was

1667
01:08:01,670 --> 01:07:59,760
pretty much the nail in the coffin of

1668
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:01,680
saying okay

1669
01:08:05,589 --> 01:08:03,440
for for me personally this is probably

1670
01:08:09,270 --> 01:08:05,599
[\h__\h] in a place i should

1671
01:08:10,950 --> 01:08:09,280
deal with anymore um

1672
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:10,960
you know and i i would even tell people

1673
01:08:14,069 --> 01:08:12,319
if they're if they're trying to figure

1674
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,079
out where this is at

1675
01:08:18,229 --> 01:08:16,640
you know go look at it during the day

1676
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:18,239
but don't go back at night

1677
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:21,359
never um and if you do uh

1678
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:24,640
you better better be very prepared

1679
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:27,440
to you're taking something home with you

1680
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,159
you better be

1681
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:30,719
prepared guarantee you know your group

1682
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:31,279
um

1683
01:08:36,149 --> 01:08:34,480
you know i again i've kind of told you

1684
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:36,159
all i'm going to pray

1685
01:08:40,070 --> 01:08:37,679
and i hope you pray with me in this car

1686
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:40,080
because we need to we need to have our

1687
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:42,640
armor on as we go in

1688
01:08:49,110 --> 01:08:46,239
and uh yeah i oh

1689
01:08:52,309 --> 01:08:49,120
it just gives me you know gives me the

1690
01:08:55,110 --> 01:08:52,319
goosebumps thinking about it

1691
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:55,120
and if the dark magic is real then the

1692
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:56,960
light magic is real and that's kind of

1693
01:09:00,470 --> 01:08:58,960
the spiritual tap on the shoulder is

1694
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:00,480
like certifying that this is

1695
01:09:04,829 --> 01:09:03,279
real like something about this is real

1696
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:04,839
as an observer i'm seeing

1697
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:08,400
something that is at least

1698
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:12,080
in my psyche uh convincing mere

1699
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,520
completing the task

1700
01:09:18,390 --> 01:09:16,799
of convincing me that there is something

1701
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:18,400
other than ourselves that is more

1702
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:20,400
powerful than ourselves and can

1703
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:22,960
manifest without a body now put that

1704
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,000
into perspective

1705
01:09:27,510 --> 01:09:26,960
this is very biblical is why will is

1706
01:09:30,390 --> 01:09:27,520
such

1707
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:30,400
a good person to have on because without

1708
01:09:34,070 --> 01:09:30,960
a body

1709
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:34,080
something is completing this transaction

1710
01:09:41,269 --> 01:09:37,440
of crossing over to make a point

1711
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:41,279
and um you know that point could be

1712
01:09:44,870 --> 01:09:42,080
anything from

1713
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:44,880
you don't want to do what i did because

1714
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,000
it ain't good here

1715
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:48,799
two i don't know uh just just the

1716
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:49,839
realization

1717
01:09:54,790 --> 01:09:53,279
that there is another side well

1718
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:54,800
yeah you know when you when you get into

1719
01:10:02,390 --> 01:09:57,920
the bible when you get into these

1720
01:10:04,709 --> 01:10:02,400
these ideas um and and it's funny just

1721
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:04,719
just this october i i preached two

1722
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:07,520
sermons uh the first sermon was called a

1723
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:10,960
a a witch and a saul no i'm sorry

1724
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:14,000
a witch and saul uh

1725
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:17,920
no anyway i like it i like a witch

1726
01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,080
and a witch an assault a ghost or

1727
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:22,320
something like a witch and a soul

1728
01:10:26,790 --> 01:10:25,120
yeah and i i have that sermon online but

1729
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:26,800
it was basically the

1730
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,000
the story of king solomon my favorite

1731
01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:32,800
no i'm sorry excuse me king saul who

1732
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:33,600
went to

1733
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:37,600
the witch of endor who was a medium

1734
01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:40,640
and basically asked her to

1735
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:44,719
raise the prophet samuel

1736
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:48,080
so that he could he could talk to him

1737
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:52,000
and she did she she literally conjured

1738
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:55,679
um samuel so that king saul

1739
01:11:02,790 --> 01:10:59,360
could could talk to her now

1740
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:02,800
now as i preached that sunday uh this

1741
01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:10,070
it was not her power that did it

1742
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:11,360
although she probably thought

1743
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:15,520
it was her power god actually raised him

1744
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:19,920
his spirit to to give this message to

1745
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:20,800
the king

1746
01:11:24,310 --> 01:11:22,480
who basically said you're outside of

1747
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:24,320
god's favor

1748
01:11:29,110 --> 01:11:27,920
uh so you know that that is a biblical

1749
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,120
example if you want to say

1750
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:31,440
of a person who had died who had came

1751
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,239
back

1752
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:34,719
to our plane of existence to give a

1753
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:35,920
message

1754
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:40,080
uh and that is biblical um but again

1755
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:42,320
who had the power it was in the power of

1756
01:11:46,630 --> 01:11:44,159
god to actually raise him

1757
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:46,640
to allow it because actually the the

1758
01:11:49,189 --> 01:11:47,280
witch

1759
01:11:50,390 --> 01:11:49,199
she was actually amazed at what had

1760
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,400
happened she

1761
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,080
you know which kind of could to tell

1762
01:11:57,669 --> 01:11:54,719
that maybe this was a con game by her

1763
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,679
um you know the old you know let's sit

1764
01:12:00,950 --> 01:11:59,120
around the table and i'm going to

1765
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:00,960
knock the table with my leg and say it's

1766
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:02,800
your uncle knocking it

1767
01:12:07,430 --> 01:12:05,679
you know your dead uncle but uh you know

1768
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:07,440
but then you also have stories

1769
01:12:12,390 --> 01:12:10,320
in the new testament and examples of the

1770
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,400
new testament where

1771
01:12:15,910 --> 01:12:14,880
one was jesus walking on water and the

1772
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:15,920
disciples

1773
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:22,870
and then another time where uh you know

1774
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:24,640
even when jesus comes back

1775
01:12:30,630 --> 01:12:27,840
after his resurrection he says

1776
01:12:31,189 --> 01:12:30,640
you know a spirit doesn't have flesh and

1777
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:31,199
bone

1778
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:35,040
pointing to his actual resurrected body

1779
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:38,480
so this concept has been around for

1780
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,159
thousands of years um since the time of

1781
01:12:47,350 --> 01:12:44,159
king saul

1782
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:47,360
this concept of ghosts and and

1783
01:12:51,189 --> 01:12:50,080
and witches and and mystic powers and

1784
01:12:54,390 --> 01:12:51,199
stuff like that

1785
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:54,400
has been around for you know since

1786
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:57,120
almost the beginning of time uh even

1787
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:57,600
with

1788
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:00,800
you know you know moses and going to

1789
01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:03,679
uh the pharaoh and getting the magicians

1790
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:04,320
out to

1791
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:07,760
do the magic tricks and stuff like that

1792
01:13:14,470 --> 01:13:10,880
so this whole idea is

1793
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:14,480
is in is in the bible but you have to

1794
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,159
understand that

1795
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:19,280
as you know if you're a christian and i

1796
01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:20,560
know some of your listeners are probably

1797
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:22,080
listening to this going i i don't

1798
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:23,440
believe in god

1799
01:13:29,510 --> 01:13:26,480
but it's always good to get a nice

1800
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:29,520
well-rounded view on things so

1801
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:32,560
you know i hope you listen to it um

1802
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:36,480
you know this stuff has been around but

1803
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:38,080
you know especially the times where they

1804
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:39,679
thought that jesus when he was walking

1805
01:13:43,510 --> 01:13:41,040
on water they called him

1806
01:13:44,070 --> 01:13:43,520
said it was a ghost and even when jesus

1807
01:13:46,709 --> 01:13:44,080
said hey

1808
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:46,719
you know spirit doesn't have uh flesh

1809
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:47,520
and bone

1810
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,520
like i do and that that's definitely a

1811
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:51,040
paraphrase

1812
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,400
um you know this

1813
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,520
this concept this idea that hey people

1814
01:14:02,229 --> 01:13:59,360
have been talking about this so this is

1815
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:02,239
something that we should talk about

1816
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:06,560
and understanding that

1817
01:14:12,950 --> 01:14:09,920
man you know what are these things again

1818
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,960
i have to point and say you know what i

1819
01:14:17,270 --> 01:14:14,000
teach what i preach

1820
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:17,280
is that after we're done on this earth

1821
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:20,480
there is heaven and there is hell and

1822
01:14:23,830 --> 01:14:23,360
if you follow jesus you go to heaven and

1823
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:23,840
if you

1824
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:26,080
don't follow jesus you go to hell and we

1825
01:14:29,910 --> 01:14:28,560
we understand from the story of lazarus

1826
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:29,920
and the rich man

1827
01:14:33,750 --> 01:14:32,320
that lazarus who followed god he he went

1828
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:33,760
to abraham's bosom

1829
01:14:38,229 --> 01:14:36,000
and the rich man went into a place of

1830
01:14:41,510 --> 01:14:38,239
torment and fire in flames

1831
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:41,520
which is a vision you know a version of

1832
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:42,400
hell

1833
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,719
uh being in that torment in the flames

1834
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,800
that that picture of hell

1835
01:14:50,229 --> 01:14:49,120
um and he is even saying you know hey

1836
01:14:52,550 --> 01:14:50,239
please send

1837
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:52,560
lazarus back to tell my brothers to have

1838
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:53,440
this

1839
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,000
these things have been talked about um

1840
01:15:05,590 --> 01:15:02,239
tell them it sucks yeah so understanding

1841
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:10,310
that in between you know again

1842
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,440
something is trying to deceive you and

1843
01:15:16,870 --> 01:15:15,280
places like the castle that we've been

1844
01:15:19,430 --> 01:15:16,880
to and

1845
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:19,440
you know other you know events that i've

1846
01:15:23,189 --> 01:15:20,719
talked to people

1847
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:23,199
um you know people here in missouri who

1848
01:15:27,669 --> 01:15:24,480
have

1849
01:15:31,590 --> 01:15:27,679
been to some very you know very

1850
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:31,600
scary places um

1851
01:15:35,110 --> 01:15:33,679
missouri has its share of sorry to

1852
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:35,120
interject missouri has its share of

1853
01:15:39,990 --> 01:15:36,880
scary places it's almost like

1854
01:15:43,270 --> 01:15:40,000
second to none to utah and

1855
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:43,280
um i just want to interject the

1856
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:45,280
because we're not the only ones i want

1857
01:15:50,149 --> 01:15:47,760
to jump really quick if it's okay but

1858
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:50,159
not not to get you off topic but the

1859
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,880
hoofs

1860
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:53,440
do you remember the hooves the horses or

1861
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:55,840
others have heard the same thing

1862
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,800
oh oh you're you're talking about at uh

1863
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:00,239
southern too

1864
01:16:11,030 --> 01:16:08,470
and i i have no idea what what this is

1865
01:16:12,470 --> 01:16:11,040
and we as we would go out we would

1866
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:12,480
investigate we would go to

1867
01:16:17,910 --> 01:16:15,440
this little offshoot road uh just off

1868
01:16:19,990 --> 01:16:17,920
the main road

1869
01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:20,000
and again we're standing right by fence

1870
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:22,239
line and they're

1871
01:16:26,950 --> 01:16:25,679
galloping horses and you know and i've

1872
01:16:29,990 --> 01:16:26,960
taken a group

1873
01:16:33,510 --> 01:16:30,000
of of youth from a

1874
01:16:37,110 --> 01:16:33,520
uh that came down on a mission trip

1875
01:16:40,310 --> 01:16:37,120
uh and they would hear the horse running

1876
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:40,320
up to the fence like where they are at

1877
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:42,239
and they're like oh there's horses and i

1878
01:16:47,430 --> 01:16:44,000
said i don't know shine your light

1879
01:16:50,229 --> 01:16:47,440
and there's nothing there no horses yep

1880
01:16:51,030 --> 01:16:50,239
and they're just sitting there like uh

1881
01:16:54,229 --> 01:16:51,040
what

1882
01:16:56,390 --> 01:16:54,239
i'm like yeah it happens galloping

1883
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:56,400
horses running through this field

1884
01:17:03,430 --> 01:16:59,679
yet there's no horses

1885
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:03,440
all the time i mean i you know

1886
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:06,640
i'm not making this stuff up we've heard

1887
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:06,960
this

1888
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:11,679
numerous times and it's just

1889
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:13,760
what's going on because it's not like

1890
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:15,679
they're they're coming up to us they're

1891
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:16,880
not doing anything to us

1892
01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,920
it's just like noises in the field and i

1893
01:17:25,350 --> 01:17:21,840
mean it's like a galloping horse

1894
01:17:26,390 --> 01:17:25,360
right next to you and there's nothing

1895
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:26,400
there

1896
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:29,520
we're not the only ones and um

1897
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,199
the other you know it's it's it's

1898
01:17:37,669 --> 01:17:35,679
it's very odd and and much of much of

1899
01:17:39,669 --> 01:17:37,679
the same things are seen

1900
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,679
like you said the lights in the sky the

1901
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:41,120
columns around

1902
01:17:47,430 --> 01:17:44,719
the uintah basin in general the

1903
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,440
the whole area i mean the whole area is

1904
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:49,120
magnificent

1905
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:51,760
what now that you're in missouri when

1906
01:18:00,950 --> 01:17:55,120
you think back to the uintah basin

1907
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:03,990
man i you know

1908
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:07,040
being in missouri i you know i miss the

1909
01:18:13,030 --> 01:18:08,640
opportunities that we had to

1910
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,040
just go out and to hang out to

1911
01:18:16,950 --> 01:18:15,920
to just drive around uh and to

1912
01:18:23,430 --> 01:18:16,960
experience

1913
01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:23,440
something we can't explain or even

1914
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:24,960
even experience something we can't

1915
01:18:29,189 --> 01:18:27,360
explain you know

1916
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:29,199
being able to just actually sit there

1917
01:18:33,189 --> 01:18:30,560
and try to figure it out

1918
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:33,199
and then figuring it out and being like

1919
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,000
hey that's pretty cool

1920
01:18:40,229 --> 01:18:38,640
but going out there first of all you

1921
01:18:43,669 --> 01:18:40,239
know if you have not been

1922
01:18:46,790 --> 01:18:43,679
to the uh basin make sure you go out

1923
01:18:48,870 --> 01:18:46,800
for a decent amount of time uh and make

1924
01:18:51,590 --> 01:18:48,880
sure that you go out when it's

1925
01:18:53,669 --> 01:18:51,600
there's like no moon because if you want

1926
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:53,679
to see something amazing you just go out

1927
01:18:59,110 --> 01:18:56,640
and just stare at the universe

1928
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:59,120
i mean you know there first couple times

1929
01:19:02,550 --> 01:18:59,920
i went

1930
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:02,560
sky watching by myself because just kind

1931
01:19:06,790 --> 01:19:03,679
of like

1932
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:06,800
dipping my toe in saying thinking hey

1933
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:10,400
i want to do this it was literally me

1934
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:13,679
driving outside of town a little bit

1935
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:16,960
uh hitting one of the roads probably one

1936
01:19:23,830 --> 01:19:17,679
of the

1937
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:23,840
just parking my truck and turning it off

1938
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:24,480
and like

1939
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:27,440
just getting out and staring at the sky

1940
01:19:31,510 --> 01:19:28,080
and just

1941
01:19:34,550 --> 01:19:31,520
being amazed at seeing the universe

1942
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:34,560
like i never seen it before i've never

1943
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:35,440
seen this sky

1944
01:19:41,990 --> 01:19:39,040
so dark uh before in my life you know

1945
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:42,000
i i i lived in missouri and i moved out

1946
01:19:46,229 --> 01:19:43,440
to utah

1947
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:46,239
so i i went from like the suburbs of st

1948
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,280
louis

1949
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:50,400
to like

1950
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:53,760
nowhere utah where

1951
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:57,600
you know you couldn't see the stars

1952
01:20:00,950 --> 01:19:59,920
because of all the light pollution to

1953
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:00,960
seeing

1954
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:04,560
so many stars you can't even count

1955
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:08,400
but you just to go out there and to

1956
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:11,600
have that that mind that you can just

1957
01:20:18,629 --> 01:20:15,120
be open and see stuff and be

1958
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:18,639
and first of all be very respectful of

1959
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the area and some properties so

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important

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you know everything because you don't

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want to go out and be disrespectful

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while investigating it just gives us all

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a bad name

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but you want to go out and you want to

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experience the stuff and you want to go

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out and

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and just embrace it and ask the

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questions

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uh and seek the answers and

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01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:47,840
you know not try to be the next you know

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01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:50,080
big name in the the paranormal

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01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:51,440
investigating stuff

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01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:55,679
so true but just go out and be

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absolutely amazed at what has happened

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01:21:02,629 --> 01:21:01,760
you know i uh i reached out to one of

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our buddies

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uh who's pretty well known in this this

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area

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um after you know doing some

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01:21:16,470 --> 01:21:13,040
doing some stuff out in the uintah basin

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and you know just talking with him about

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how

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you know some of the stuff that they

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they showed on tv

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didn't even really you know

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01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:27,920
really tell the whole story because he

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01:21:33,510 --> 01:21:30,800
had been out there so many times

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uh investigating with you and you know

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other stuff

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01:21:39,510 --> 01:21:37,600
that some of our most prized

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01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:39,520
investigating stuff is when we don't

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have cameras and we don't have

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you know we're not really looking for

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stuff um

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you know again us walking down the road

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at

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gl2 was us

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talking and then turning around and

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seeing something and going

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hey that was cool and just walking in it

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and being embraced in it

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01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:04,719
and you know that is when the stuff will

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happen

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is when you go out and you said okay i'm

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gonna be respectful

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i'm going to go out and i'm going to be

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open-minded

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um i will seek answers i will

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you know if i have to admit i don't know

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the answer i will

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admit i don't know the answer um but

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once you start doing that

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01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:34,149
man so true so true i couldn't have said

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it better

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even if i wanted to and and that's why

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i'm so happy

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01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,000
that you you took some time to come on

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01:22:43,590 --> 01:22:42,320
and and talk to the listeners and talk

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01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:43,600
to me about

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01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:45,440
you know the magic that it's you in a

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01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,800
basin and and

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01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:48,960
missouri has a bunch of that magic too

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01:22:52,629 --> 01:22:50,719
we'll have to do that in another episode

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01:22:55,189 --> 01:22:52,639
maybe but yeah man

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01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:55,199
a lot going on in the world today uh

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01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:55,920
ending

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01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:57,600
with the episode here because we're just

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01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:59,280
kind of wrapping up what

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01:23:02,310 --> 01:23:00,800
what can you give our listeners with

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01:23:04,629 --> 01:23:02,320
these troubling times

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01:23:07,189 --> 01:23:04,639
uh what what what what's a good way to

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01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:07,199
close this out

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well i'll say it like this um you know

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especially with everything that's going

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01:23:15,030 --> 01:23:12,960
on this week

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01:23:17,750 --> 01:23:15,040
uh what's going to be going on in the

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01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:17,760
you know what's what's went on last year

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01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:21,760
with with the answer introduction are in

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01:23:28,149 --> 01:23:24,960
with us being introduced to uh kobit 19

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01:23:31,350 --> 01:23:28,159
yep and uh that

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01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:31,360
going into uh lockdowns and

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01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,040
masks and a lot of people being

2044
01:23:38,310 --> 01:23:37,280
upset a lot of people hurt a lot of

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01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:38,320
people

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01:23:44,709 --> 01:23:41,840
uh trying to you know worry about their

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01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:44,719
their freedoms and things of that nature

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01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,040
uh going into the election and all the

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01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,719
things that happened after election all

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01:23:53,830 --> 01:23:50,400
the things that happened

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01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,110
listen when we wake up in the morning

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01:24:02,629 --> 01:24:02,000
it's a new day you need to thank god for

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01:24:05,110 --> 01:24:02,639
the day

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01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:05,120
that he's given you because every day

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01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:08,400
that he's given you as a gift

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01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:10,639
always remember that god is on his

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01:24:15,510 --> 01:24:11,600
throne

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01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:15,520
and that he's in control of all and that

2059
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,880
when you walk with god no matter what

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01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,480
comes at you

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01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:23,040
you know if god is for us to if god is

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01:24:27,430 --> 01:24:23,760
for us

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01:24:29,830 --> 01:24:27,440
who can be against us you know

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01:24:32,149 --> 01:24:29,840
and i know not all your listeners you

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01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:32,159
know believe in god

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01:24:39,189 --> 01:24:35,760
but this is the advice i would give

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01:24:42,470 --> 01:24:39,199
no matter who you voted for

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01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,480
life goes on no matter what happened on

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01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:44,560
the sixth

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01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:48,320
life goes on we are only here

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01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:51,360
until god calls us home our

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01:24:59,669 --> 01:24:55,760
jesus returns until then

2073
01:25:01,830 --> 01:24:59,679
remember first of all be consistent

2074
01:25:03,910 --> 01:25:01,840
uh that's been like my word of the day

2075
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:03,920
being consistent

2076
01:25:07,669 --> 01:25:06,000
if you were upset at the riots before

2077
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:07,679
you should be upset of what happened on

2078
01:25:10,709 --> 01:25:08,880
the sixth

2079
01:25:12,310 --> 01:25:10,719
if you weren't upset at the riots before

2080
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:12,320
you probably should have been upset of

2081
01:25:15,590 --> 01:25:14,000
what happened on the six

2082
01:25:19,110 --> 01:25:15,600
because either way you look at it

2083
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:21,430
but it's time to love each other it's

2084
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:23,199
time to forgive

2085
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,560
that's one of the words i think that

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01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:26,400
people have forgotten

2087
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:29,840
is that we are called to forgive each

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01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:30,560
other

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01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:34,639
even if and you know this is important

2090
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,080
especially if there's any christians

2091
01:25:42,149 --> 01:25:38,480
listening to this that are upset at

2092
01:25:45,350 --> 01:25:42,159
whatever political party or person

2093
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:45,360
we are called to forgive even before

2094
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:46,400
someone has even

2095
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:49,600
asked for our forgiveness

2096
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:53,280
we have been loved by a god

2097
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:56,560
a creator who died for our sins on the

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01:26:01,270 --> 01:25:58,480
cross

2099
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:01,280
and even as he was being crucified on

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01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:02,000
the cross

2101
01:26:06,149 --> 01:26:04,480
he said father forgive them for they

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01:26:10,870 --> 01:26:06,159
know not what they do

2103
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:10,880
yeah key words be a bigger person

2104
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:12,719
we should look at the people across the

2105
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:14,400
aisle

2106
01:26:23,510 --> 01:26:19,920
and say i forgive you i love you

2107
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:23,520
let's live life together and once you

2108
01:26:27,669 --> 01:26:24,560
start doing that

2109
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:27,679
once you start like really embracing

2110
01:26:37,830 --> 01:26:32,719
that mindset that god

2111
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:37,840
created us all in his image

2112
01:26:44,149 --> 01:26:40,239
that he loved us enough that jesus would

2113
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:46,950
that even as he was being persecuted he

2114
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:49,280
forgave

2115
01:26:56,229 --> 01:26:52,400
it should really open our eyes to what

2116
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:56,239
we should do to to learn

2117
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:00,000
to listen to be consistent

2118
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:03,040
to forgive to love

2119
01:27:09,910 --> 01:27:06,960
your neighbor as you love yourself

2120
01:27:12,870 --> 01:27:09,920
wake up tomorrow take a deep breath

2121
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:12,880
thank god for the day

2122
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,719
and maybe stay off social media for a

2123
01:27:19,830 --> 01:27:16,800
little bit

2124
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,840
that doesn't always hurt to maybe

2125
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,400
maybe just go you know what not today

2126
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:24,159
i'm not going to look at facebook

2127
01:27:27,830 --> 01:27:26,639
i'm not going to look at twitter are

2128
01:27:31,430 --> 01:27:27,840
bigger

2129
01:27:36,790 --> 01:27:34,790
so that that's my two cents love it amen

2130
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,800
man can't thank you enough for coming on

2131
01:27:41,110 --> 01:27:38,400
it's so good to talk to you

2132
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:41,120
and we need to talk again soon and more

2133
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:42,159
often

2134
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:44,159
um definitely keep doing what you're

2135
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:45,600
doing keep writing books

2136
01:27:49,910 --> 01:27:48,080
keep keep bringing people towards the

2137
01:27:50,629 --> 01:27:49,920
light thank you so much will love you

2138
01:27:52,870 --> 01:27:50,639
man

2139
01:27:54,470 --> 01:27:52,880
and i love you too and uh thanks for

2140
01:27:57,910 --> 01:27:54,480
having me on

2141
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:57,920
man oh man am i glad that i got to get

2142
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,120
mr will hoffman on the podcast because

2143
01:28:04,629 --> 01:28:03,440
he's got some insight that is just so

2144
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,639
unique

2145
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:06,400
given the time that he's taken

2146
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:09,679
researching his theological studies

2147
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:12,719
uh i mean we're talking graduate

2148
01:28:18,709 --> 01:28:15,840
level theological studies interested

2149
01:28:19,669 --> 01:28:18,719
in the paranormal not your typical

2150
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:19,679
pastor

2151
01:28:24,070 --> 01:28:22,080
interested in cryptozoology but mostly

2152
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:24,080
interested in making sure everybody gets

2153
01:28:27,750 --> 01:28:25,040
along

2154
01:28:29,030 --> 01:28:27,760
and goes to heaven so i mean makes sense

2155
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:29,040
why he's a pastor he's just an

2156
01:28:33,990 --> 01:28:30,880
all-around good guy

2157
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:34,000
happy happy happy that he came on

2158
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:37,280
and uh hope to have him on again

2159
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,320
soon so uh

2160
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,639
let's make that happen until next time

2161
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:44,320
guys take care of yourselves

2162
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:46,560
keep your eyes to the skies feet on the

2163
01:28:57,930 --> 01:28:48,400
ground and don't forget

2164
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:05,669
[Music]

2165
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:08,560
come blast off in my time machine third